Wednesday, September 23, 2009

The Theban Plays -- Despair

What is the meaning of "Despair" and how does this theme manifest itself in both plays?

14 comments:

  1. despair means: to lose something or loss of hope

    Oedipus loses his familt the kinship and everything in the world..

    Antigone lost her brother, the right to bury him properly, and much more

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  2. Despair means to lose all hope.

    Oedipus killed is dad and married his mom and that ruined his whole life.

    Antigone's brothers both died and she didnt have the chance to give one a proper burrial.

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  3. Despair is losing all hope, and also being over come by defeat and not wanting to continue.

    Oedipus losses all of his hope when he find out that what he was running away from is what actually happened. While he was in despair he gouged out his eyes.

    The second one when Antigone is not allowed to bury her brother her brother and decides to take matters into her own hands and even though she feels like she did the right thing she is still going to get killed for it.

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  4. Despair runs through the veins of this family. In all instances this family is the epitome of disfunctional, and a lot of despair comes their way, even though they try to do things right. A main reason that this is a problem is because of their hubris. They believe that they have everything figured out and that everyone else is wrong. They think that their decisions are always best and anyone who says otherwise is foolish. Arguments break out between the family members because each side thinks they know best when they really do not. Despair uses this pride as the open door to plunge right into their lives. Oedipus experiences despair when he first hears the prophecy that he is going to kill his father and marry his mother. He runs fast and hard until he reaches Thebes. Once there, he defeats the Sphinx and becomes king, marrying his mother. He begins to feel despair almost immediately after becoming king, because in marrying his mother, he brought a curse unto Thebes. He says in the beginning of "Oedipus the King" that, "I pity you. I see-how could I fail to see what longings bring you here? Well I know you are sick to death, all of you, but sick as you are, not one is sick as I. Your pain strikes each of you alone, each in the confines of himself, no other. But my spirit grieves for the city, for myself and all of you. I wasn't asleep, dreaming. You haven't wakened me-I have wept through the nights, you must know that, groping, laboring over many paths of thought." (162) Oedipus is just reaching the beginning of his grief, it will get much worse. Oedipus' ultimate grief was made real to him when he discovered that he married his mother and that his children were also his siblings. He is so agonized by it that he stabs his eyes out, so as to not ever have to look at the horrid looks of other people, or see his children for who they are.

    Antigone, on the other hand, is not pulled into her despair because of hubris, but rather because she has a desire to do what she feels is right. She faces a huge decision of whether to abide by the law, be it righteous or not, or to disobey the law and face the consequences. For Antigone, the choice was simple, but the despair of being unable to bury her brother, Polynices, is terrible. She is already facing grief having lost both of her brothers in a single day, but now she hears that she is unable to bury her own brother! She says in "Antigone" that, "There's nothing, no pain-our lives are pain-no private shame, no public disgrace, nothing I haven't seen in your griefs and mine." (59) Her despair only gets worse when she is buried alive, unable to marry her husband-to-be (and cousin), Haemon. Haemon is also faced with despair when he is forced to say goodbye to Antigone.

    There is a never-ending stream of pain and sorrow in the lives of this family, and it is an almost depressing thing to read, because there is nothing you can do about it, even if it were non-fiction!

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  5. Loss of hope or despair in these plays represents a huge part, mainly with Oedipus. He was trying to get away from the inevitable. The prophecy that he would kill his father and marry his mother was something that he did not want to happen. He left his home from hi "parents" to stop the prophecy. This, however, did not work. He ended up finding that his so-called parents were not his biological parents after all. This led one thing to another and back to the realization that the prophecy had come true. After running from it for so long he had despair for his life because of what he found out. He seems to lose everything. He loses the kingship, his family, and much more.

    Antigone had despair too. She was brought into the world unaware that Oedipus was not only her father, but her brother too and her mother was also her grandmother. After that was found out she was treated differently. She no longer had parents because they were dead. All she had was her sister and brothers. When her brothers died fighting against each other that brought even more despair. Topping onto that the new king, Creon, took away the burial rights of one of her brothers. She was against this completely and decided no matter what the outcome she would find a way to give him a proper burial. She did, but had consequences, as she knew she would, because of it.

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  6. Despair is all lose of hope in a situation or multiple situations.

    Oedpus looses all hope when he realizes the prophacy came true. He reaches the true meaing of despair when he gouges his eyes out.

    Antigone looses all hope when she realizes she cannont give her brother a proper burial if she wants to live. However she chooses her brother over her life.

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  7. Despair means all hope is gone.
    In Oedipus, all hope is lost when Oedipus realizes that he is the one who killed Lauis and Jocasta was his mother. Oedious makes it obvious when he blinds himself.
    In Antigone, all hope is lost when Antigone is told that she can not burry her brother, but she turns that around and burries him anyway. Her consequence is nothing she cares about because she got to burry her brother.

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  8. I believe that despair means: "to lose all hope". Despair plays a good part in the book. Just look at what O did! He killed his father and married his own mother. his wife commited suicide. he ended up gouging out his own eyes so he wouldn't have to deal with what all happened! it seems to me, that O lost all hope!

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  9. despair means to lose all hope. Their is despair in this whole book wheather its when O killed his father and he realized how everything worked and then when Antigone losses both of her brothers was really hard for her because one of them didn't get a proper burial. This book really shows a lot of despair. Both Antigone and O lose all hope by the end of the book because so much stuff happens for them to lose it all.

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  10. Despair is to lose all hope. In this book this is many times where despair comes about. O killed his father and people lost hope of O and what they thought about him. Also when Antigone lost both of her brothers like carter stat is was hard for her because she lost everything she ever had, lost all hope of all she ever had. It was really hard for her to handle and accept. Despair comes about in the whole today as well in many peoples lives. With losing a loved one, losing a simple little sports match, loss of a job, just anything that can or may cause someone to lose all hope.

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  11. The meaning of despair is when all hope is lost and and you know longer have faith in anything. Despair is carried all throughout this book from Oedipus killing his father to him gouging out his own eyes because he didnt want to deal with everythin that he had done. I think that Antigone and Oedipus have lost all faith and hope and are in despair beacause of everything they have been through.

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  12. Despair: –noun 1. loss of hope; hopelessness.
    2. someone or something that causes hopelessness: He is the despair of his mother.
    (dictionary.com)
    So pretty much means to loose all hope in something or someone. As in you were depending on it or them. You give up on what you were going after.

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  13. Despair- Loss of hope

    O loses his sight family and power

    A- loses her brother

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  14. Despair is the loss of hope. Loss of all feelings to want something, hopelessness.

    O loses all his hope. In the first part of the book that we read was the first big example. He figures out his true background that he killed his own father, married his mother, his wife killed herself, and then he stabbed his eyes out. I'd say he has lost all his feelings and hope for things to get better.

    Antigone loses all her hope when she cannot give her brother a proper burial. She wants to show love and respect toward him by sending him off the proper way. But she ends up choosing her brother over her own life, which shows a lot of courage.

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